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1. Westnovote says:

   October 7, 2009 at 9:18 AM

   In gen­eral, I really do like the sound of these pro­posed changes. It is going to make a com­pli­cated sys­tem even more com­pli­cated, but to me it seems that post-SoM the LI sys­tem will actu­ally work like orig­i­nally intended.

   Not at all happy about the Cham­pion Fer­vour nerf though. 2^nd major Fer­vour nerf in as many updates. There is an argu­ment that Fer­vour remains slightly too pow­er­ful DPS wise, but the last change pun­ished us for pulling aggro off tanks as it was. I am try­ing to reserve judge­ment though, the changes might work.

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2. Erirdar says:

   October 7, 2009 at 12:33 PM

   Actu­ally, with the addi­tion of the Class A and the Class B lega­cies, and the whole idea that get­ting a Class A legacy in a reforge is essen­tially impos­si­ble, the qual­ity of leg­endary items is going way, way down.
   Cur­rently if there are 3 par­tic­u­lar lega­cies you want on an item, you have approx­i­mately a 36% chance of get­ting the 3 lega­cies you want from uniden­ti­fied to level 50, assum­ing you get 4 lega­cies on iden­ti­fi­ca­tion.
   With the new sys­tem, your only shot at get­ting a Class A legacy is on the ini­tial iden­ti­fi­ca­tion, and given there are 9 Class A lega­cies, your chance of get­ting the 3 you want goes down to roughly 4%, again, assum­ing you get 4 lega­cies on the ini­tial iden­ti­fi­ca­tion. If you want the actual math, just ask.

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   • Tony says:

     October 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM

     My think­ing at the time was that the over­all ranges of leg­en­daries seemed to be bet­ter. Like going from a 5 through 8 scale to a 6 through 9 scale. Seems like I might have misunderstood…

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     • Erirdar says:

       October 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM

       Well, think of it this way: The odds of you get­ting 5 Group A lega­cies right now are actu­ally pretty good in MoM. Come Mirk­wood, hav­ing 5 Group A lega­cies will be nearly impos­si­ble, because the reforges at 10÷20÷30 will have almost neg­li­gi­ble chances to grant a Group A legacy.
       Depend­ing on your class, this can be a notice­able down­grade even con­sid­er­ing that you can get more over­all points due to the IXP level cap increasing.

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3. mbp says:

   October 7, 2009 at 1:53 PM

   I don’t like the intro­duc­tion of crafter use only “greater relics”. I could see these becom­ing a neces­sity for cer­tain pro­fes­sions. Cham­pi­ons have to have weapon­smith, guardians have to have armourer etc. Craft­ing changes from being an optional eco­nomic activ­ity into just another thing you have to grind in order to be allowed to raid.

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